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Alkaline Ionized Water Is A Huge Scam

Articles on 17 Oct , 2016

Alkaline Ionized Water is a Huge Scam Debunked Featured Article PhotoIf you keep up with health trends, you’ve probably heard of alkaline and/or ionized water. Effectively, this is just water which has had its pH raised into the alkaline range, used with the aim of reducing the body’s acidity. Proponents of alkaline ionized water claim that drinking this form of water has a huge range of health benefits – like with most snake oil, they don’t even bother to reign in their claims of its benefits, proudly advertising alkaline ionized water’s ability to do everything from helping manage cancer treatments to assisting with weight loss.

For people looking to improve their health by any possible means, stumbling on the news of alkaline ionized water might seem like having a great truth revealed: a healthier form of drinking water? It might even be enough to encourage a particularly health-conscious individual to buy an absurdly expensive water ionizer machine which can run hundreds or even thousands of dollars. Yet the truth is that despite the fact an entire industry has sprouted up creating and selling these machines and overpriced bottles of alkaline ionized water, there remains absolutely no evidence of any benefit to drinking alkaline ionized water.

It is a huge scam. Let’s find out just what is going on.



Why There Are No Health Benefits to Alkaline Ionized Water

Caduceus SymbolRight away when we first came across the idea of alkaline ionized water years ago, it set off our skepticism meters on first contact. A few cursory Google searches showed that we were not alone. In fact, there is no shortage of people calling out the alkaline ionized water trend for what it is: a deceitful attempt to sell some very overpriced machines.

When looking for information on alkaline ionized water, it isn’t hard to find lots of people with real credentials tearing it apart: in this article published in the Wallstreet Journal, several accomplished scientists have some rather harsh words on the subject of alkaline ionized water:

“There is no basis for any health claims at all”Dr. John Petrini, gastroenterologist
“Rubbish”H. Eugene Stanley, Professor of Physics, Boston University
“Nonsense”Roberto Car, Professor of Physics, Princeton University

So what is it that makes a medical doctor or a physicist so confident that they can dismiss the ionized alkaline water fad with just a single word of condemnation? It turns out all you really need to debunk this unfounded health craze is a bit of simple chemistry.

The Chemistry of Alkaline Ionized Water

pH Scale Comparison ChartWhile many of these so-called “water ionizing” devices refer interchangeably to “ionized water” or “alkaline water,” there is an important scientific distinction. The term “ionized water” is not one found in science and is effectively a meaningless term. An ion is a molecule which does not have the same number of electrons and protons. Pure water does not have a tendency to ionized on any meaningful scale, and there is no device which is capable of actually producing any substantial amount of true ionized pure water. Despite this confusion, the term “ionized water” is often used instead to refer to water passed through a water ionizer device, the goal of which actually being to produce alkaline water.

On the other hand, “alkaline water” is a much more useful and well-defined term. In case you slept through high school chemistry, alkalinity is the opposite of acidity on the pH Scale. While pure water is considered neutral with a pH of 7, any aqueous solution (which is what all of your drinking water is) will have a varying pH depending on the concentration of H+ and OH– ions. According to the proponents of alkaline ionized drinking water, raising the pH above 7 into alkaline levels can help combat heightened acidity in the body, bringing with it a range of health benefits.

But before we even get to actually drinking this stuff we run into some problems with the science. In this exceptionally well put together article by Stephen Lower, a retired faculty member from the Department of Chemistry at Simon Fraser University, Lower lays out all the facts in a simple and easy to understand way. According to Lower’s analysis of the chemistry, water ionizers are not effective at alkalizing your water and actually create a solution chemically identical to extremely diluted bleach.

Lower also takes the time to pick apart a lot of the claims of the alkaline ionized water industry and shows them to be scientifically false. He explains that the conductivity of potable water is too low for real electrolysis to occur, showcases the fallacy of the claim that ionized water behaves as an antioxidant, and explains the real science behind alkaline water.

If you want to learn a lot more about the chemistry behind alkaline ionized water be sure to visit Mr. Lower’s page linked above. It really does a fantastic job of examining the issue from a very informed scientific perspective.

Supposed Health Benefits

Bawell Platinum Alkaline water Ionizer MachineWhen researching the validity of any product’s health claims, the first step should be consulting the medical literature. Unfortunately, if you try to take a look into verifying alkaline ionized water through this method, you will find absolutely nothing of substance. The only real quality study published in peer-reviewed publication is the paper “Potential benefits of pH 8.8 alkaline drinking water as an adjunct in the treatment of reflux disease” which looks at treating acid reflux disease with some help from alkaline water. This makes sense, and is perhaps the only claim to efficacy the alkaline ionized water camp can use factually.

But this study is no revelation. It is an extremely basic principle that you can treat heartburn by adding an alkaline solution to the stomach. What this study verifies is that alkaline drinking water is basically a much less effective and much more expensive form of good old Alka-Seltzer.

If we take a look at this $2,000+ alkaline water ionizer from Bawell (pictured above right,) we find some interesting language:

“Connecting this machine to your kitchen faucet or to the water line below your sink will allow you to make ionized alkalized water with medically research potential health benefits listed in the US National Library of Medicine Database. People wonder what exactly is alkaline water and what are its health benefits. There are many different ways to make alkaline drinking water, but only alkaline ionized water made by electrolysis has been researched and found to have antioxidant properties due to its negative Oxidation Reduction Potential and slightly higher ph.”

Doesn’t this seem a little confusing? Because there are no verified or scientifically recognized health benefits to these machines, here we see the sales person fumbling over their wording trying to advertise what this device does. Yet despite their efforts to make the language as evasive as possible, they still have made a false claim. If we actually take the time to look through the US National Library of Medicine Database we can’t find any of these “medically researched [sic] potential health benefits” which they claim exist but can’t be bothered to direct us to, with the exception of the one study about reflux disease we linked above.

A Campaign of Misinformation

H2O Molecules Campaign of Misinformation about Ionized Alkaline WaterAlthough the companies which manufacture and sell these water ionizer devices or alkaline water itself can’t legally make health claims themselves, there is no shortage of nebulously sourced and scientifically questionable proponents of the trend who attribute all sorts of health benefits to the devices. These are often the product of extremely bad research and out-right lies.

Take for example this terrible article from Underground Health which is currently at the top of a Google search for “alkaline water health claims.” Their first claim is that alkaline water helps to “detoxify” (another word that means nothing – see our article on “Detox Water”) and as evidence for this claim they link the same study included above about using alkaline water to treat reflux disease! It is clear the author of this piece has absolutely no understanding of the materials they are working with at all. The article goes on to list other health benefits including “hydrating your body,” (isn’t that why you were drinking water in the first place?) “oxygenating / anti-oxidant” (something debunked above in Lower’s article,) “enhance your immune system,” (a vague and specious claim if there ever was one,) and “alkalizing your body’s pH” (they don’t bother specifying which part of the body.)



Con Artists Preying on Cancer Patients

Pure Snake Oil AdEverything about this article from Underground Health is terrible and pretty much entirely wrong. This is a poor attempt at deceit, but unfortunately there are websites endorsing alkaline ionized water which at least put up a much better front. Take for example this article: “Ionized Water Treatment For Cancer.” Published on a site called “Cancer Tutor,” the article is the work of author Webster Kehr, known for his anti-science and anti-medical claims, along with his many ridiculous fringe theories. He has a rather unflattering Wikipedia page (UPDATE: looks like someone deleted his Wiki page) which addresses this, and it is easy to see why Mr. Kehr’s attempts to decieve and mislead cancer patients could be quick to upset many people.

While a little bit of context about its author reveals it to be an extremely poor source, at first glance “Cancer Tutor” appears to be a legitimate website. In the article on ionized water, Kehr introduces us to the line of psuedo-scientific nonsense which is often used to advance the false claims of ionized water proponents. As a good example of this kind of psuedo-scientific rationalization, Kehr writes the following with absolutely no source or indication of how this information was acquired:

“Water molecules in our body do not individually float around, they exist in clusters of water molecules. Ionized water clusters are significantly smaller than normal water cluster. A water cluster generally consists of about a dozen water molecules. Because the cluster is so big, the water clusters cannot penetrate many places in your body. By making clusters half that size, in terms of the number of water molecules per cluster, the clusters (i.e. the water) can penetrate into more places in the body. The shape of ionized water clusters (a hexagon) also helps them get into places regular water cannot go. These things are called making “wetter water.””

This passage is heavy on details and light on facts. There is no scientific or even rational basis for what is being said here: it is a completely vapid justification for people (cancer patients no less) to spend many hundreds or thousands of dollars on expensive machines and water which is no more beneficial than normal tap water. Naturally, the article concludes with Mr. Kehr encouraging users to purchase an ionizing machine and referring to several vendors while asking readers to “tell them “The Cancer Tutor” sent you.”

Fake Studies, Fake Doctors, Fake Websites, Fake Claims

Fake Doctor Researches Alkaline WaterAs appalling as the works of the Cancer Tutor are, he is sadly only one of many people attempting to profit off faulty advice and manipulation of people in need. At every turn while researching the topic of alkaline ionized water, we find shady websites which are poorly put together yet make up for it in their incredible enthusiasm about alkaline ionized water. We find testimonials from supposed medical doctors with unverifiable credentials. We find studies published in non-peer reviewed journals or citations to publications in foreign journals we cannot locate or verify at all.

The claims made by the alkaline ionized water industry are usually intentionally vague and ambiguous – they promise things like increasing energy, improving hydration, boosting the immune system, and other statements which don’t rely on exposing the actual mechanism or function being performed. Yet despite the somewhat evasive nature of pinning down just what alkaline ionized water can do, it is always sold as something miraculous and massively beneficial. The marketing used to sell these devices has been specifically aimed to target people with medical conditions in need of the greatest help. It creates false hope and misleads them from researching or investing in methods which could actually provide them with real benefit.

You Can’t Really Change Your Body’s pH

Anatomical DrawingOne of the cornerstones of the alkaline water movement is the idea that alkaline water presents a sort of “antidote” to the modern diet. While it is true that modern diets can be extremely high in acidic foods, the ability for alkaline water to correct for this is dramatically overstated. Firstly, it is important to understand that other than temporarily impacting stomach pH, eating a diet which is acidic or alkaline actually does very little to change your body’s pH. To quote Dr. Melinda Ratini with WebMD:

“…nothing you eat is going to substantially change the pH of your blood. Your body works to keep that level constant.”

This process is called Acid-base Homeostatis and is a very important part of your body’s ability to maintain itself. Dr. Ratini’s statements are equally applicable to anything you drink. The only area of the body alkaline water or food stuff is going to have any impact on is stomach pH, which is naturally acidic for digestive purposes. This is why in the medical literature you will find alkaline water being regarded for only one purpose: lowering stomach pH in the treatment of heartburn, as in the study linked above.

Knowledge that the body’s ability to self-regulate its pH is very hard to tamper with is why the issue of your water’s pH is largely ignored by scientific and medical authorities. In the 500+ pages of the World Health Organization’s “Guidelines for Drinking-Water Quality” there are no specific recommendations for the pH of drinking water, except the statement that a pH within the range of 6.5 to 8 is preferred to prevent the corrosion of plumbing.

You’re Probably Already Drinking Alkaline Water

Lab Rat Supplies Universal Indicator pH Testing StripsAs the WHO guidelines above indicate, water with acidic pH 6.5 and lower can cause erosion to pipes and other damage to plumbing. For this reason, tap water has its pH controlled and treated to keep it typically within neutral to alkaline ranges. Depending on where you live, there is a good chance that the water from your tap is already within the alkaline range. Part of water treatment is often the addition of sodium hydroxide in order to raise the pH and prevent damage to plumbing.

Scientist Analyzes Water Samples in LabJust as an example, the Portland Water Bureau’s 2016 Drinking Water Quality Report indicates that the city’s tap water tends to have a pH of around 7.5-8.5, well within the alkaline range. The 2014 Drinking Water Supply Quality Report from New York City indicates an average pH of 7.3, just barely within the alkaline range.

More than likely, if your pipes aren’t corroding, your water is probably already alkaline enough. Even if the pH was high enough to cause damage to plumbing long-term, the water is still probably safe to drink, as the body can tolerate acidic water just fine for the most part.

While there will be some variation depending on where you live and how you get your drinking water, it is a safe bet to say the majority of people who will read this article already have access to alkaline water with a pH above 7 with no need to buy an expensive ionizer or do anything more complicated than turning on the tap. If you want to find out for yourself what the pH of the water you’re drinking is, grab a pH testing kit for a few bucks and find out for yourself.

Ionizing Alkalizing Water Bottles & the Tourmaline Scam

(UPDATE: Check out our new article “Alkaline Water Bottles Are Worthless.”)

Scientist Looks at IonPod Ionizing Alkalizing Water BottleIn addition to the extremely expensive machines, the alkaline ionized water industry has also moved into the world of water bottles with products that claim to “ionize” your water as well as raise the pH to alkaline levels. As we explored above, the term “ionized water” is at best a misnomer and at worst a complete lie. While these bottles do raise the pH of the water in them, they certainly don’t “ionize” them as that is a meaningless term. An example of such a product is the Ion Pod by Healthy Habits, a simple water bottle equipped with a mineral cartridge which raises the pH of water stored inside of it.

The IonPod is marketed with an air of being a hyper-modern scientific innovation – including the rather ridiculous image of a scientist and the outline of the bottle above and to the right. On the Healthy Habits website, we find a huge amount of psuedo-scientific nonsense with not a single source in sight. The company claims that by adding tourmaline to the IonPod’s mineral cartridge, they have found an effective method of “ionizing” water without any electricity required. The site goes on to talk about the “bio-current of your body,” and actually lists the benefits they believe their product can provide:

“Alkaline water will detoxify the active oxygen radicals; activate cells to support normal metabolism; assist to purify the blood; relieve fatigue; help balance the nervous system; improve resistance to disease; ease pain and nervous conditions; support allergy immunity; help prevent premature aging and promote health.”

As usual, the claims are vague, too good to be true, and offer no evidence or origin for the ideas. Though the IonPod’s mineral cartridge is capable of raising the pH of the water by depositing some additional minerals in it, nothing else Healthy Habits’ claims about the IonPod is even remotely true. Even the mineral cartridge is suspect, as Healthy Habits does not not disclose exactly what is in the mineral cartridge or what you are drinking, although they do state the mineral cartridge includes “high-energy biochemical ceramics and pumice mineral stone with potent rare earth.”

Products like the IonPod are the continuation of this scam, which is likely to take all sorts of forms before it has run its course. Any product which claims to ionize your water is an outright scam. It is a fake phenomenon created purely to market these products which do nothing and are extremely cheap to produce. Products which claim to alkalize your water may actually raise the pH and make it more alkaline, but there is zero medical evidence to support this being beneficial in any way. You probably don’t need either one of them.



Conclusion and Final Remarks

Scientist Examines Water SampleSince we’ve started Hydration Anywhere we have received dozens of questions about water alkalizing ionizers, about which ones we recommend, and suggestions from well-meaning readers for us to cover the subject. We have a recommendation: do not buy them. Boycott the companies which produce these products. Inform your friends and family that this is a scam. Do your research and consult a variety of sources.

The water alkalizing ionizer scam is one that has gone way too far. Manipulative marketing techniques, bad science, fake medicine, and a complete lack of ethics have combined into a perfect storm of con artists preying on the sick and needy, offering false hope and inaccurate advice. The devices being sold to alkalize and ionize water are at best useless and at worst potentially harmful to your health.

We caution everyone to avoid these devices.

Further Reading

Jacob Hatch is the author and founder of Hydration Anywhere. He has been actively writing about drinking water since 2013. These days Jacob spends most of his time investigating water related news, studying environmental issues, reading health studies, and reviewing products like water bottles and water filters.

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29 thoughts on “Alkaline Ionized Water Is A Huge Scam

  1. John says:

    The real benefit of ionized / electrolyzed water is something called h2 or molecular hydrogen. 100’s of studies prove the benefits.

    You need to make sure you research the technology completely and understand how it works before you write articles.

    1. Jacob says:

      You are completely wrong, John. Please provide some evidence to back up your claims.

      Water infused with molecular hydrogen (or H2-Water) has been studied and there is a good source from the US National Library of Medicine. But this is something completely different from “ioninzed alkaline water” which is a very specific thing. These ionizing/alkalizing machines do not produce H2-Water unless specifically stated (the ones we look at here do NOT.) If anything these machines create a tiny amount of hydrogen as a byproduct of the electrolysis they perform; however this is not at all consistent with the methods used to create H2-Water in the actual studies. You can’t just suddenly change the entire function of the machine to have it justify your argument. As I laid out in the article, “ionized water” means absolutely nothing, and even if these machines did produce beneficial H2-Water (which they do not) they would still be running a scam as all of their claims behind ionized alkaline water are entirely false.

      Additionally, although there is a much better scientific precedent for H2-Water than there is for alkaline ionized water, it still has a lot of scrutiny to go through. There are not “100’s” of studies as you claim (which is obvious since you couldn’t be bothered to link to one) and there is plenty of question about its legitimacy, see this page. Importantly, the actual peer-reviewed study I linked above which considered H2-Water potentially useful was examining its application as an antioxidant. Unfortunately this is flawed at its core, as it is now scientifically recognized that the importance and usefulness of antioxidants was overstated. Clinical studies on the actual health effects of H2-Water in humans are still extremely lacking. As an example, one study which tried to demonstrate improved glycemic response after drinking H2-Water in diabetic patients had some success, but this is called into question by the fact they used a tiny sample size of only 6 patients, and only 4 of them had positive results.

      H2-Water has been shown to have some anti-oxidant properties in rats. That is the only real health claim it can make. It is just another brand of snake oil. Its effects are almost certainly overstated for commercial gain by the people selling it and its history of study in actual clinical medical trials is lacking. What the literature shows comprehensively is antioxidant activity in lab rats, not clinical studies of health benefits in humans. H2-Water is more or less the latest facade the ionized alkaline water industry has put on their devices in the hopes of selling “magic water” to misinformed customers.

      1. Terry rankin says:

        My name is Terry Rankin in orange CA my cardiologist is amazed that I am still alive dispite a very low 10% ejection fraction. When I drink kangen water I feel good, optimistic, and I have more energy. This is 8 years after my doctors said I would be dead

        1. Jacob says:

          Hi Terry,

          While I’m glad you’re feeling well, as it stands there is no evidence of health benefits from Kangen water or any other form of alkaline ionized water. More than likely if you are benefitting from anything it is the placebo effect, or perhaps you are simply experiencing the benefits of proper hydration.

          1. Kiki says:

            Now there is a solid clinical study on Kangen Water has been completed at third party lab. The study was intimated by a Harvard Medical School graduate vascular surgeon.

          2. Jacob Hatch says:

            Please provide a link.

          3. Kiki says:

            Kangen Water ph 9.5 Water from Enagic machine has antioxidant properties which are measurable against other water. There was a significant suppression of the inflammatory response by neutrophils with Kangen Water As additional testing of the water showed that in the presence of glucose, the mitochondria of the cell up regulate their activity. In other words, the engine of the cell runs better with Kangen Water. It is clear the Kangen Water has properties that cause the human body to respond more favorably to stress, specifically the following , Production of more red blood cells to increase oxygen carrying capacity. Production of neutrophils to modulate and reduce inflammatory response.

          4. Jacob Hatch says:

            Please provide some evidence to reinforce these claims.

          5. Kiki says:

            At this point, I can share with you the webinar recording by the doctor
            https://youtu.be/biiFgyT3uqE

          6. Jacob Hatch says:

            The opinion of one doctor is very, very far from a study. Especially a doctor who appears to be heavily affiliated with Kangen (as I suspect you are as well.)

          7. Kiki says:

            The YouTube link explains overview of this clinical study which was done at NIS LABS in Oregon. Phase 1 study has completed. This clinical study was conducted with NIH standards. Did you actually watch the entire video and claim that this is just his opinion ? Yes he is a medical advisor of ENAGIC company and I am a distributor. Kangen Water is approved as a medical device in Japan by the ministry of health and welfare which is FDA in Japan. Also endorsed by the association of preventative medicine of adult diseases which is a non profit organization with group of 6500 medical doctors in Asia.
            If you like to read a peer review it’s not online link but hard copy book you can purchase. If you like to, I can certainly give you a link

          8. Jacob Hatch says:

            The study you are referring to was not published in a real journal. It was self-published by Kangen water and their affiliates. No one is going to pay for a hard copy of a fake study done by a company to sell their own product. If they could actually prove the benefits of their device it would be incumbent for them to shout it from the roof-tops and publish it in any open access journal, as it is a huge challenge to existing medical science. Instead they compound their scam with another scam, preying on anyone foolish enough to pay for a hard copy of their “study,” just an extension of their marketing materials.

          9. Rick Fleming says:

            LMAO

      2. Dickson says:

        a. Electrolyzed-Reduced Water Protects Against Oxidative Damage to DNA, RNA, and Protein (2006)
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17159237
        Electrolysis of water produces oxidized water near the anodeand reduced water near the cathode.
        b. Electrolyzed-Reduced Water Scavenges Active Oxygen Species and Protects DNA from Oxidative Damage (1997)
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9169001
        Active oxygen species or free radicals are considered to cause extensive oxidative damage to biological macromolecules, which brings about a variety of diseases as well as aging, the ideal scavenger for active oxygen should be ‘active hydrogen’. ‘Active hydrogen’ can be produced in reduced water near the cathode during electrolysis of water. Reduced water exhibits high pH, low dissolved oxygen (DO), extremely high dissolved molecular hydrogen (DH), and extremely negative redox potential (RP) values.
        c. Advanced research on the health benefit of reduced water (2012)
        ERW is also termed alkaline electrolyzed water, alkali-ionic water, alkaline cathodic water, and alkaline ionized water, based on its physicochemical and physiological aspects. ERW exhibits an alkaline pH, is hydrogen molecule-rich, and has a negative oxidation-reduction potential (ORP) and reactive oxygen species (ROS)-scavenging activity.
        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924224411002408
        d. Molecular hydrogen is a novel antioxidant to efficiently reduce oxidative stress with potential for the improvement of mitochondrial diseases (2012)
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21621588
        e. Molecular hydrogen as a preventive and therapeutic meical gas: initiation, development and potential of hydrogen medicine (2014)
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24769081
        H2 reacts with strong oxidants such as hydroxyl radical in cells, and proposed its potential for preventive and therapeutic applications. H2 has a number of advantages exhibiting extensive effects: H2 rapidly diffuses into tissues and cells, and it is mild enough neither to disturb metabolic redox reactions nor to affect signaling reactive oxygen species; therefore, there should be no or little adverse effects of H2. There are several methods to ingest or consume H2; inhaling H2 gas, drinking H2-dissolved water (H2- water), injecting H2-dissolved saline (H2-saline), taking an H2 bath, or dropping H2-saline into the eyes.
        f. Hydrogen-supplemented drinking water protects cardiac allografts from inflammation-associated deterioration. (2012)
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22891787
        Recent evidence suggests that molecular hydrogen has therapeutic value for disease states that involve inflammation. Drinking HW prolongs survival of cardiac allografts and reduces intimal hyperplasia of aortic allografts.
        g. Studies and observations on the health effects of drinking electrolyzed-reduced alkaline water (2011)
        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268238617_Studies_and_observations_on_the_health_effects_of_drinking_electrolyzed-reduced_alkaline_water
        Evidence from live blood analysis from a case study suggests that drinking reduced alkaline water reduces blood cell stickiness, aggregation, and early clotting. Results suggest that long term consumption of this water slows the effects of aging and may improve the peripheral circulation; serve as an adjunct therapy for diabetes and kidney disorders; and help prevent cardiovascular and other chronic diseases.

  2. Aaron says:

    Great post and great rebuttal Jacob. These folks are always moving the goal posts and their new go-to argument is Electrolyzed–Reduced Water.

  3. kykindia says:

    Thanks for sharing this post! Alkaline Water improve your health and have lots of benefit of ionized alkaline water. KYK india is giving best quality of Alkaline Water Ionizer machine in all India.

    1. Jacob Hatch says:

      Typically we delete spam comments like this (we’ve removed the URL they tried to link to.) But I think allowing this comment to remain does a great job of showing the unscrupulous practices of the alkaline water business. Clearly, “Kykindia” here (who is almost certainly a robot commenter) could not even bother to read even the smallest part of the article to see that we are definitely not promoting alkaline water. They use these robots to scan the internet for keywords like “alkaline water” and post these sorts of fake comments, even on articles like ours which debunk their practices. Shame on you.

  4. Hana Dolgin says:

    There are plenty of studies on electrolyzed reduced water (ERW), which is water produced through electrolysis that has reducing (reduces oxidation, i.e. antioxidant) properties. You can search http://www.pubmed.gov and find many of them! This water has been used in many Japanese hospitals for decades as part of treatment for many conditions, Kangen water devices are recognized there as medical devices. Please see the certification here: https://www.enagic.com/?c=product-certified

    You can also see this report from Japanese TV on Kangen “miracle” water: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxPcQMmy5Mo&t=28s

    Clinical studies have been carried out in the US, specifically on the SD501 Kangen water unit, according to all the standards associated with clinical trials. The water has been proven to be an antioxidant, to reduce inflammatory markers and to increase red blood cells. More studies will be carried out. You can get a booklet of these studies at https://www.ionfaucet.com/product-p/1532.htm. Dr. Filtzer can be contacted for verification. He is a vascular surgeon trained at Harvard University who currently head a wound treatment center in Arizona. Feel free to contact me with any questions.

    1. Jacob Hatch says:

      Please provide actual links to peer-reviewed studies. So far you have provided nothing but referenced to Kangen marketing material. I also suspect you, along with the other commenters who are very interested in defending not just alkaline water but a specific brand (Kangen) to be very suspicious. You are likely employed by them in one form or another to post the exact same tripe Kiki posted just a few hours earlier, indeed you are likely the same person.

      1. Oli DB says:

        You’re so right Jacob. Everybody that has ever advertised for drinking alkaline ionized water can only be guilty of one thing : falling prey to ruthless evil marketing companies that only have 5 things for moto : lies, deceit, profit, profit and profit.
        Everyone out there who believes in this “nonsense” is just part of a multi-decade conspiracy that will stop at nothing to suck people’s bank accounts dry.
        Your knowledge of the topic surpasses any renown scientist or nobel prize winner. You have attained a level of consciousness that clearly shames all believers and debunks all the mysteries around the subject.

        Let’s drink to that ! Let us drink BPA-infused plastic bottled water, endocrine disruptors and chemicals-rich tap water and good old sodas for the rest of our (short) lives.
        It’s not like Asian healthcare systems know anything about preventive medicine anyway, they’re just one big evil scam. We, in our Western modern cultures know everything compared to these third-world countries right ?

        Yours Truly 😉

        1. Jacob Hatch says:

          Thank you for your snide comment, Oli. If you read the blog a bit, you’d know we strongly oppose bottled water and BPA. You may also know that BPA has been largely eliminated from use. We strongly encourage everyone to get a reusable bottle. We are also against soda, chemical pollutants and additives, and anything other than good, fresh, clean water. This is why we have devoted countless hours to reviewing water filters. And we’ve spent years researching drinking water related issues, products, and topics.

          So when liars and con-artists try to pull the wool over people’s eyes, we don’t take kindly to it. We don’t claim any superiority in knowledge or authority. We have listed our sources and invited an open and honest discussion here on our website. You have done nothing but post a snide and condescending comment without even a single source or fact to justify yourself.

          Have a good day wandering through the dense fog of pseudo-science.

          1. Oli says:

            Thanks I will, especially those links diligently provided by Dickson, which is weirdly enough the one comment you haven’t deigned answer to. How come ?
            Are you going to deny as well all the information he provided you because it doesn’t mean anything to you, is non-valid or isn’t recognized or endorsed by any “reputable doctor” with credentials worthy of that name ? I’m curious…

            I will agree with you on one thing though, I have seen a fair share of misinformation spreading during certain product demo and that some distributors are clearly more interested by the profit they can make than the veracity of the very science they’re attempting to explain, which is sad as in my opinion as it discredits their credibility and this is what gives certain companies a bad reputation. But it doesn’t mean the science of it all is bogus.

            If you’re one of those people who’s a pure product of the western academic system, who will ONLY consider scientific evidence presented to you in so many studies, by so many reputable doctors and scientists and will ONLY accept this as the one and only truth to ever be considered in order to buy a machine because NOTHING beats the understanding of science, then that’s fine too, I get it…

            You have every right to feel invested in the tasks of debunking stuff and “helping people to save their money” and I believe you’re genuine about it and you really believe that you’re doing them a favor. But the end result being that your nay-saying of this “pseudo-science” as a whole addresses ultimately in an indirect condescending manner (despite your claim above) since you seem to think that you know so much better than the believers, hence why you wrote the article.

            What I have found throughout all the research I’ve done, (and in your reply, if you would be so kind to spare us the hassle of comparing how you think you’ve most likely done years of the right research while dissing me for being incapable of doing any research worthy of that name 🙂 ) through all the controversial articles I’ve read, even the most comprehensive and diligent study reports admit that further studies need to be made in order to further understand the subject and assert full facts, which in essence is a perfectly valid scientific and empirical claim. Some honest scientists admit that the scientific community doesn’t actually know much on the fascinating different properties of water as a whole.

            But as tempted as you might be to actually use this and to say that this is already a good enough reason why one should not invest into one of those machines, and even if some of the purported information by independent marketers can be occasionally distorted, it still doesn’t make it right to assert it’s all one big bandwagon fallacy.

            Why ? Because of the undeniable results countless people have had around the world for many years with it and that you seem to count as nil (starting with the Japanese hospitals where they’ve used them for decades). And I’m not talking necessarily about distributors who would have “magically started feeling better” after drinking it, undoubtedly feeling better anyway because of their new-found business opportunity, but the people that give true testimonials about how it really affected their lives/conditions/medication intake for the better. What I am very curious of now, is if you will bother assuming they can only ALL be gullible paid actors taking part in a huge marketing cult…

            I now see you coming with the Placebo effect but you can’t make people believe in a million years that despite the mind having remarkable healing powers under the right circumstances, that all of these testimonials are just completely invalid, false, should all be discarded and can only be the result of pure coincidence, luck or self-healing powers, whatever the medical conditions they may have recovered from.

            Listen to Robert Wright, the Director and founder of the non-profit American Anti-cancer institute, who is NOT affiliated to any distributing companies, and the results he has personally seen by providing Alkaline Ionized water (no brand mentioning here) to thousands of his patients. In my world, you don’t just discard such a testimonial, regardless of your level of skepticism.

            Bottom line is even if according to someone like you we don’t have yet all the necessary studies, credentials, etc to explain how AIW is officially proven to work, people still have the right to invest into what they feel actually works simply by considering the results other people have had with it. Treading on egg-shells on the exact claims that are being made is paramount, no doubt-about that. No one can guarantee anything for sure as everybody’s physiology is different and consumers should expect different results and not believe any random reckless promises, but the way I see it that’s a problem of education, not with the product.

            Some people can’t afford to wait for the science to be up to date on the topic to actually take a chance at feeling better and remedying their conditions. And I will agree that there are a lot of “snake oil” products out there looking to just profit and make money off unfortunate and weak people but in my humble opinion (as probably little as I know you care about) Alkaline ionized water isn’t one of them ! It’s water, it’s good for you anyway, but people don’t just latch onto hope by a machine and suddenly get better all by magic, results show. Most of them also get the chance to drink the water for free first and for long periods of time before they decide to buy a machine for themselves. So it’s not like the companies are telling them if they want it, they’ve got to buy it first.

            But who am i to say anything ? I’m just an average gullible layperson anyway…

            I won’t post any links of any videos here, you can do that research yourself if you wish to, but I’ll assume you have already done so and so if you don’t believe any testimonials you might have seen, it would be pointless for you to watch them again, as if any of it had any chance of changing your mind anyway…
            (I’m not saying I believe them all straight off the bat, but many are more convincing than others and are to be considered seriously)

            However, if I may, and if you’re open to it (and if you haven’t already read them) here is some very interesting literature to expand on the subject :

            – Reverse Aging (Whang, Sang Y.) (1991)
            – Water for Health, for Healing, for Life: You’re Not Sick, You’re Thirsty! (F. Batmanghelidj)
            – Healing is Voltage: The Handbook (Jerry L. Tennant MD)

          2. Jacob Hatch says:

            I’m not interested in having some long-form debate about your philosophy of science. You have not contributed a single idea or fact to this discussion.

            I did not bother responding to Dickson’s comment because I have already addressed the points brought up by his study in the original article and in a subsequent reply. Most of the studies he posted do not actually relate to the type of alkaline ionized water generated by the types of commercial machines being sold to consumers. But even if we disregard that fact, hardly any of the studies he posted are anywhere near evidence of actual health benefits. This is common, because proponents of alkaline water are constantly moving the goal posts and inventing new reasons their machines supposedly give health benefits, after the old one is knocked down.

            I would also advise you to seriously reconsider your perspective and methods of evaluating information, so you don’t continue to lead yourself down the wrong path.

  5. Oli says:

    That’s good, I’m not interested in debating much further as well. You can condescendingly say all you want that you’re not interested in a long-form debate but that’s a bit easy to avoid discussion, isn’t it ?
    The simple fact that you state that, in your opinion, I haven’t “contributed a single idea or fact to this discussion” goes to prove how thick you are to any opposing views, no matter what believers say, you’ll always find a way to deny it one way or another.

    Granted I did not personally bother putting any real scientific fact forward (the following article will), but I noticed you also conveniently avoid talking about the subject of the real results that many people have been getting and the placebo effect (once again, you can google it yourself, if you’re only half as good at research as you say you are, you will find the testimonials. It would be delightful to see you deny those publicly as well as it would only just prove how much of a plain and simple denier you really are.) Or could it be that you choose to ignore the results because we can’t fully explain how the science works ? … sorry the “pseudo-science” ?

    It seems to me that, in an attempt to subconsciously convince yourself that you wouldn’t have wasted your time publishing YOUR personal opinion on the subject, no matter what believers are going to say about it (evidently, it doesn’t even matter if they provide any valid links or not) you will forever claim that it’s all bogus, no matter what, because you always have to have the last word and your opinion on the subject is already engraved in stone.

    If there’s any good chance you will want to reply, can you please take the time to review how valid you think the science in the following article is ? I’m curious…

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924224411002408#fig2

    1. Jacob Hatch says:

      We deal in facts here. You seem to have ignored the entirety of the article and refuse to address any of its points. If you refer to the article, it addresses your questions. For example, the problem with the sort of science demonstrated in your link is that it is far from conclusive and lacking in actual human studies of health impacts. And when they do, results are questionable. In your link the claimed “Anti-Diabetic Effects” were minute to begin with and only observed in less than half of a tiny sample size. In the study cited about abdominal cramps and diarrhea, the health benefits are inline with what we predicted in our article, which is that alkaline water would have its most direct benefit, if any, on the stomach/intestines where the alkalized pH could actually have an impact.

      If you would like to continue this discussion, feel free to refute specific points already raised in the article. I don’t find your round-about methods and constant avoidance of actually discussing the subject matter to be productive.

  6. Oli says:

    Ok, then let’s assume for a second that all the facts you presented in your article are the “real” science facts (meaning of course that you are disproving all that has been said on the subject by scientists and doctors around the world that share the opposite view).
    If all you assert is considered to be true, then how do you explain all the incredible results people have been getting by drinking this water ?
    (You’ve been avoiding answering that topic twice now, it would be about time you at least comment on it)

    1. Jacob Hatch says:

      Science is not some argument of authority against authority. It is method against method, results against results, testing subject to peer reviewed. I don’t believe I have all the “real science facts” as you so eloquently put it. In terms of people experiencing the “amazing benefits,” well, there are people experiencing “amazing benefits” from snake oil of all varieties. I am not interested in hand-waving anecdotes about “incredible” results. If you can provide a peer-reviewed medical study with a substantial sample size that actually demonstrates “incredible” benefits (not some in vitro laboratory study which shows antioxidant activity – that has nothing to do with a human trial) then we can talk about it.

  7. Oli says:

    ok,
    Here are a couple of links to start with. Start by using Google Scholar to find peer reviewed studies for Electrolysed Reduced Water (the better term for alkaline ionized water). No Marketing, no bullshit, just scientific studies shared by scientists and doctors around the world.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=ERW+diabetes&btnG=

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=ERW+cancer&btnG=

    1. Jacob Hatch says:

      Pasting the entirety of your search results from Google Scholar is not exactly evaluating your sources properly. In fact, it’s not evaluating your sources at all. Congratulations on learning the phrase ERW. That’s all you’ve done here.

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